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This has been sitting in my Sta.sh for far too long but given the recent comments on 7Shades-of-Purple, I've found the drive to post it.

The title says it all really in terms of the response I'm most likely going to receive. At the end of the day, these are only my opinions and all I ask is that they are to be respected as such. If you want a debate on this topic, I'll welcome it but I will object if you're going completely immature about it and flame and not respect my views on the franchiseas I will respect yours, despite not agreeing with them.

First of all, I'd just like to say I believe the Thomas fandom is divided in two groups:


The Railway enthusiasts

and

The 'normal' fangirls/fanboys


Bear in mind, those are very vague terms but they differentiate the two groups either way. Now, I understand that some people may identify as both. I find myself firmly in the category of the latter, only because I don't feel like I'm knowledgeable enough on the subject of real-life locomotives and railways.

Most of the members of the Railway Enthusiast group are usually the older members of the fandom. By older, I mean young adults, 20+, and really, these people are supposed to be the more mature members of the fandom. I highly disagree and I find it rather ironic that most of these people have the nerve to call the other half of the fandom 'immature' JUST because they ship engines together. Quite frankly, those people clearly have little knowledge on how the internet works. 

No matter what franchise it is, no matter what species are involved in it, there will most likely be shipping present among the fandom.
Try and name a franchise that has a fandom that doesn't ship, I tried to think of one and I honestly struggled.

Another concept that some people can't seem to grasp is 'Don't like, don't look!' It's so simple and yet, we still get pieces of work with two engines shown to be in a relationship with hate spewed all over it, regardless of the quality of the art. Heaven forbid, we're on a site called deviantART :deviantart:

I think it depends on what your interpretation of immaturity is but I think a fundamental part of it is keeping your opinion to yourself when necessary. I am a member of over 5 other fandoms and I have never come across this issue. I blame the fact that we're a small community, so the hatred and intolerance shines brighter than in other fandoms.

Please understand, I'm not saying all Railway Enthusiasts are pricks. Notice how I said 'most' because that's exactly it, and both sides have their fair share of immaturity that we can all agree on. I'm talking about the illiteracy, the crappy OCs and cliched fan-fics (both of which drive me up the wall), the constant demanding of the production team, making snap judgments about episodes they've never seen, spreading rumors... I could go on. Both groups have their share of problems, and things that tick off the other party, attract the trolls e.t.c. but I'm getting off topic. Just, think about what you say before you post it, yeah?

Back to the debate itself: Engines can't love.


I try to understand both viewpoints as well as I can, and I believe that whatever opinion you have on the subject stems from the way you interpret the engines and what they actually are.

When I watch the show, I see sentient beings that can feel emotion. You see it whenever they are given a particular task, depending on what their task is and their personality. This also influences the relationship they have with other engines, whether they get along or avoid whenever possible. Now, Thomas and Percy have that something more that makes them want to identify as best friends, above their other friends, so there's no reason a friendship between other engines couldn't go beyond that.

Those against the thought of engines experiencing love for each other, tend to use the argument of 'they're just machines.' Please, correct me if I'm wrong but I'm assuming that you view the engine's ability to talk as merely for the sake of the show and they are just that: machines that can talk. Please understand, I'm not trying to undermine your interpretation, this is just for the sake of differentiating it from my point of view.

Another argument that's often used is 'they're not bipedal.' I'm not even going to entertain that one. Just because something isn't in a humanoid form, doesn't mean it can't love.

And then there's the 'they can only experience platonic love' argument. Admittedly, I thought I knew what this term meant, which is why I couldn't understand how some of these opinions where passed off as fact. I was under the impression that platonic love was just friendship, and I defended my opinion with 'Well, how could it just stop there?' Then, a friend corrected me on the definition, and I researched the term, and I found that it actually supported my view.

I'm not really fond of the engines kissing or any such like (though I don't mind reading it in a fan-fic, I just sit back and enjoy the ride) because it's physically impossible and it's not necessary; There's not reason for them to be sexual in any or see each other in a sexual way because they can't reproduce. That's exactly what platonic love is, a love that is non-sexual but can still be associated with couples in the sense that I'm thinking of. Though a working platonic relationship is rare these days, that's because we humans have a natural desire for sex, to make more humans. Engines do not, so...

TL;DR


All I'd like to finish off with is just because it's never explored in the show, doesn't mean it can't be done in the fandom world. That is why the work is out there; to be interpreted and to inspire. The reason it isn't explored in the show is because the kids are not interested; they don't give a flying funnel, which brings me onto my final point...

I'd just like to ask: who gives a flying funnel?

Seriously, if people want to ship engines together, who gives a flying funnel?

Does it affect you or anyone else, really? No, so why do you give a flying funnel?

:heart: Have a good day, no matter your views on the subject. :heart:
Just keep them to yourself when necessary.

Regards,
Teenage-Oddball
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Thomas And Friends - Hair Bows: Edward and James by Teenage-Oddball
Thomas And Friends - Hair Bows: Edward and James
I couldn't let my inspiration fade before I did my two main guys! :heart:

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Edward Facial Study (Pencil and Fine Liner) by Teenage-Oddball
Edward Facial Study (Pencil and Fine Liner)
Same drawing, before and after. Shouldn't have put fine liner on him...

I really like this study, one of the best I've done. Though, I feel as though he looks a little feminine...

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And it continues. Someone outside of the fandom stepped, which I'm very grateful for. I don't mean to be rude, but I'm having a really hard time deciphering what this person is trying to get at, and the numerical order isn't doing them any favors in trying to get their point across clearly, regardless of the points they're making...

SimonSulk's Comments (2) by Teenage-Oddball


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Honestly, I find it's usually the people who don't like the concept of shipping at all that leave pointless comments, expressing their opinion where it isn't needed. And yet, the Thomas Fandom, once again, surpasses my expectations.

Now, I don't normally showcase comments but this one really rattled me. I've hidden the comments on 7Shades-of-Purple so I can show you them on here with their name hidden.

SimonSulk's Comments by Teenage-Oddball

There's nothing more I can say that I haven't already reply to them with.

:bulletred: How can you make assumptions about a character's sexuality when romance and relationships are something that is never explored in said show?
:bulletred: Since when did all gay people behave in such a similar way that you could tell that they were gay other than if they were in a relationship with someone of the same gender? It's like saying a man is gay because he acts camp or a woman is a lesbian because she has short hair.
:bulletred: Surely a real fan of something is someone who watches, reads or listens to something and gets enjoyment out of it?

Thanks for reading my rant,
Teenage-Oddball

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This has been sitting in my Sta.sh for far too long but given the recent comments on 7Shades-of-Purple, I've found the drive to post it.

The title says it all really in terms of the response I'm most likely going to receive. At the end of the day, these are only my opinions and all I ask is that they are to be respected as such. If you want a debate on this topic, I'll welcome it but I will object if you're going completely immature about it and flame and not respect my views on the franchiseas I will respect yours, despite not agreeing with them.

First of all, I'd just like to say I believe the Thomas fandom is divided in two groups:


The Railway enthusiasts

and

The 'normal' fangirls/fanboys


Bear in mind, those are very vague terms but they differentiate the two groups either way. Now, I understand that some people may identify as both. I find myself firmly in the category of the latter, only because I don't feel like I'm knowledgeable enough on the subject of real-life locomotives and railways.

Most of the members of the Railway Enthusiast group are usually the older members of the fandom. By older, I mean young adults, 20+, and really, these people are supposed to be the more mature members of the fandom. I highly disagree and I find it rather ironic that most of these people have the nerve to call the other half of the fandom 'immature' JUST because they ship engines together. Quite frankly, those people clearly have little knowledge on how the internet works. 

No matter what franchise it is, no matter what species are involved in it, there will most likely be shipping present among the fandom.
Try and name a franchise that has a fandom that doesn't ship, I tried to think of one and I honestly struggled.

Another concept that some people can't seem to grasp is 'Don't like, don't look!' It's so simple and yet, we still get pieces of work with two engines shown to be in a relationship with hate spewed all over it, regardless of the quality of the art. Heaven forbid, we're on a site called deviantART :deviantart:

I think it depends on what your interpretation of immaturity is but I think a fundamental part of it is keeping your opinion to yourself when necessary. I am a member of over 5 other fandoms and I have never come across this issue. I blame the fact that we're a small community, so the hatred and intolerance shines brighter than in other fandoms.

Please understand, I'm not saying all Railway Enthusiasts are pricks. Notice how I said 'most' because that's exactly it, and both sides have their fair share of immaturity that we can all agree on. I'm talking about the illiteracy, the crappy OCs and cliched fan-fics (both of which drive me up the wall), the constant demanding of the production team, making snap judgments about episodes they've never seen, spreading rumors... I could go on. Both groups have their share of problems, and things that tick off the other party, attract the trolls e.t.c. but I'm getting off topic. Just, think about what you say before you post it, yeah?

Back to the debate itself: Engines can't love.


I try to understand both viewpoints as well as I can, and I believe that whatever opinion you have on the subject stems from the way you interpret the engines and what they actually are.

When I watch the show, I see sentient beings that can feel emotion. You see it whenever they are given a particular task, depending on what their task is and their personality. This also influences the relationship they have with other engines, whether they get along or avoid whenever possible. Now, Thomas and Percy have that something more that makes them want to identify as best friends, above their other friends, so there's no reason a friendship between other engines couldn't go beyond that.

Those against the thought of engines experiencing love for each other, tend to use the argument of 'they're just machines.' Please, correct me if I'm wrong but I'm assuming that you view the engine's ability to talk as merely for the sake of the show and they are just that: machines that can talk. Please understand, I'm not trying to undermine your interpretation, this is just for the sake of differentiating it from my point of view.

Another argument that's often used is 'they're not bipedal.' I'm not even going to entertain that one. Just because something isn't in a humanoid form, doesn't mean it can't love.

And then there's the 'they can only experience platonic love' argument. Admittedly, I thought I knew what this term meant, which is why I couldn't understand how some of these opinions where passed off as fact. I was under the impression that platonic love was just friendship, and I defended my opinion with 'Well, how could it just stop there?' Then, a friend corrected me on the definition, and I researched the term, and I found that it actually supported my view.

I'm not really fond of the engines kissing or any such like (though I don't mind reading it in a fan-fic, I just sit back and enjoy the ride) because it's physically impossible and it's not necessary; There's not reason for them to be sexual in any or see each other in a sexual way because they can't reproduce. That's exactly what platonic love is, a love that is non-sexual but can still be associated with couples in the sense that I'm thinking of. Though a working platonic relationship is rare these days, that's because we humans have a natural desire for sex, to make more humans. Engines do not, so...

TL;DR


All I'd like to finish off with is just because it's never explored in the show, doesn't mean it can't be done in the fandom world. That is why the work is out there; to be interpreted and to inspire. The reason it isn't explored in the show is because the kids are not interested; they don't give a flying funnel, which brings me onto my final point...

I'd just like to ask: who gives a flying funnel?

Seriously, if people want to ship engines together, who gives a flying funnel?

Does it affect you or anyone else, really? No, so why do you give a flying funnel?

:heart: Have a good day, no matter your views on the subject. :heart:
Just keep them to yourself when necessary.

Regards,
Teenage-Oddball
  • Mood: Unheard
  • Listening to: I Dreamed A Dream - Caleb Hyles
  • Reading: Theatre Studies - Robert Leach
  • Watching: The Adventure Begins (UK)
  • Playing: The Sims 3: Create a World
  • Eating: Rowntree's Randoms
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